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Gavros 12:17 Wed Nov 5
EU migrants to UK add billions to the economy, while non-EU migrants cost hundreds of billions

Shows that UKIP are attacking the wrong type of immigration.....even though of course they cant say that publicly....

Immigrants who came to live in Britain from outside Europe cost the public purse nearly £120 billion over 17 years, a new report has shown.

The major academic study also found, however, that recent immigration from Europe – driven by the surge in arrivals from eastern European – gave the economy a £4.4 billion boost over the same period.

Experts from University College London also said native Britons made a negative contribution of £591 billion over the 17 years – because of the country’s massive deficit.
The report analysed figures from 1995 to 2011, during most of which the Labour government was pursuing vigorously pro-immigration policies.

It found that migrants from outside the European Economic Area (EEA) made a negative contribution to the public purse of £117.9 billion because they consumed more in public expenditure – including NHS costs, welfare hand-outs and education – than they contributed in taxes.

The report, to be published in the Economic Journal, said the non-EEA group – largely made up of immigration from countries such as India, Pakistan and African Commonwealth countries – contributed less because families tended to have more children and lower employment rates.

"Immigrants from non-EEA countries ... contribute less than they receive,” the 50-page study concluded.

The native population made a negative contribution in 12 years during the period, running to £591 billion in total, as the British economy ran at a deficit.

Immigrants from within the EEA – which is the European Union plus Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein - took out more than they paid in during only seven of the 17 years.

It meant European migrants made an overall positive contribution to the British economy of £4.4 billion over the period.

Since 2000 European migrants were 43 per cent less likely than native Britons to receive benefits or tax credits, and 7 per cent less likely to live in social housing, the report said.
The authors – whose research has previously been criticised by the right of centre think-tank Civitas and by MigrationWatch UK, which campaigns for tighter immigration laws – emphasised their findings on the contribution of European migrants and gave less prominence to the findings on the costs of non-EEA immigration.

Professor Christian Dustmann, of UCL’s Centre for Research and Analysis of Migration, and a co-author of the report, said: “A key concern in the public debate on migration is whether immigrants contribute their fair share to the tax and welfare systems.

“Our new analysis draws a positive picture of the overall fiscal contribution made by recent immigrant cohorts, particularly of immigrants arriving from the EU.”


Sir Andrew Green, chairman of MigrationWatch, said the report confirmed the huge cost of immigration. "As for recent European migrants, even on the authors' own figures - which we dispute - their contribution to the Exchequer amounts to less than £1 a week per head of population," he said.
David Green, director of Civitas, said the new report suffered from a “shallow focus” which “misses out some vital costs”.

Between 1995 and 2011 the foreign-born population in the UK doubled from 3.5 million to about 7 million.

The non-EEA population grew from 2.8 million to 4.6 million during the period. Of those, in 2011, just over two million were not working, either because they were unemployed or for other reasons such as retirement or childcare.
At the same time the number of European immigrants in this country grew at a far higher rate, tripling from 723,000 to 2.3 million.

After8 4:16 Sun Nov 9
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Ukip also oppose the removal of the spar room subsidy known as the bedroom tax according to their head of policy tim Apker who's also their candidate in Thurrock.

After8 4:13 Sun Nov 9
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Heres the ukip posters saying ukip will protect your benefits


http://order-order.com/2014/02/04/red-ukip-2/

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 11:47 Sun Nov 9
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After8 10:14 Sat Nov 8

'well it's money currently being borrowed so it could help to reduce the deficit but ukip have made a lot of unfunded promises dependent on which by election it is and which interview a ukipper has done.

increased defense spending
end of the deficit
tax cuts for the rich
more GPs
protecting all benefits
higher pensions '

Apart from 'higher defence spending', which not only do I not recall but is inconsistent with UKIP policy of downsizing our defence commitments, and 'protecting all benefits' which you have made up, how do their other promises differ from the Tories?

Hammer and Pickle 11:49 Sat Nov 8
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I want the Poles in the UK back in Poland just as much as you or even mentor does.

It's just I want us to do it proper mate.

BRANDED 11:45 Sat Nov 8
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Fair play but if you say something you'll need to back it up. I think Poles have played a big part in the UK's recent history but you dont want Brits hating Poles because of an ill conceived immigration policy do you? You want Brits to celebrate Poles with their Polish freinds in a positive way? All Brits must feel positive about immigration. Not just some.

Hammer and Pickle 11:38 Sat Nov 8
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Agreed mate but I'm a Polish sociologist and am just doing what I do.

BRANDED 11:37 Sat Nov 8
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Picks.
I'm a realist. I'm erfectly happy gor the majority to have their say. I'm perfectly comfortable with the Brits ability to do well. I dont need Belgians to tell me how to behave. I'm a sucessful business man and recogise pros and cons in everything.

Left wingers seem to wafle a bit too much for my liking.

Hammer and Pickle 11:29 Sat Nov 8
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You are a better man than this BRANDED.

I've been wondering what's got into you of late.

Well?

BRANDED 11:27 Sat Nov 8
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Bla bla bla

Helps?

Iron2010 10:40 Sat Nov 8
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Fair play lads. I still can't get anyone to answer a simply question like why they vote labour. But 47 ronin and a coma await so I bid you good night before the Mrs and kids get home ! Coyi

Hammer and Pickle 10:27 Sat Nov 8
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So, for anyone with even a basic inkling of economics or even common sense, the ukrip programme is a total car crash.

Cheers 8.

After8 10:21 Sat Nov 8
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same here. i haven't been on all day. i was at the game.


i didn't know there were set posting times

Hammer and Pickle 10:19 Sat Nov 8
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I'm an excellent drinker mate.

Iron2010 10:18 Sat Nov 8
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I cant believe you boys continue to argue over this shit on a match day when most of us are too pissed to see the key board. You are either fantastic drinkers or proper boring cunts

After8 10:14 Sat Nov 8
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HP

well it's money currently being borrowed so it could help to reduce the deficit but ukip have made a lot of unfunded promises dependent on which by election it is and which interview a ukipper has done.

increased defense spending
end of the deficit
tax cuts for the rich
more GPs
protecting all benefits
higher pensions

Hammer and Pickle 9:24 Sat Nov 8
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The UK's net contribution as an EU member is large - around 11.3 billion pounds in 2013 apparently.

Have ukrip got a clear programme as to what they intend to do with this money in the event of an exit?

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 5:18 Sat Nov 8
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Hammer and Pickle 4:41 Sat Nov 8

'you don't need to read my stuff '

Wise words...

BRANDED 4:43 Sat Nov 8
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Ah. Ok then. Cool

Hammer and Pickle 4:41 Sat Nov 8
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This is a football forum and I'm not writing a dissertation for you. I post in good faith and you don't need to read my stuff if it offends you.

BRANDED 4:38 Sat Nov 8
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Why? You say stuff without backing it up.

Hammer and Pickle 4:07 Sat Nov 8
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From agriculture to labour markets, from energy policy to transatlantic trade, de-bureaucratisation, defence and coordinated monetary and foreign policy - you name it, there is hardly an area of EU governance that doesn't need a detailed programme of reform realised with real commitment and vision. What's at stake are millions of jobs and stability for generations to come, and the UK most be in the driving seat of this process.

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